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for the gift-along
1.Darth Scarf for dad Done - mailed!
2. Neck's Best Thing for mom Done - mailed!
3. Pocket scarf for sisDone - mailed!
4. Something for spouse Done.- Given
5. Something Else for spouse (still inprogress 1/19)
6. bumblebee socks for friend A Done.- Given
7. fingerless fuzzy knittin' gloves for friend BDone.- Given
8. Joslyn's Sheeps Gift Gloves for friend CDone.- Given
9. Brioche Scarf for cousin? maybe won't be started or done for the holidays
10. Angora scarf for MILDone - mailed!
11. Angora & Cotton I-Cord "Comfort Jewelry for MomDone - mailed!
12. Angora & Recycled Silk I-Cord "Comfort Jewelry" for sister. Done - mailed!
13. two sets child size bulky curly toe slippers from Weekend Knitting Not started yet 1/19
14. Ibis boa for friend Done.- Given
15. tipless "biking" gloves for OSO. (no way they'll be done before holidays are over!) Swatching 1/19

DONE!
Toddler's Tank Girl top
My Fuzzy Feet
Spouses Fuzzy Feet
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Magic Hat
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Two Chemo Caps and matching scarf
Ruzzy Feet, try #2
Night Hat
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Projects yet to be begun

1.Pagan Tank: for the Tank Girl knit along.
1 A. Toddler Tank - so she can be a tank girl too.

2.Bumblebee Socks
3.Holey Socks: gift for a friend, who is going to be two, and likes holes in things.
4.Several Joslyn's Sock Club Socks
5.Toddler Fuzzy Feet
6.Ruzzy Feet for Ruzz try two
7.Holiday gift socks (If I'm clever these will use some Joslyn's club yarn, or some stash yarn)
8.Mission Falls vest
9.Cardigan for me
10. Bumblebee lace socks: holiday gift for friend
11. traveling wilbury socks: gift for friend's partner
12. Color block socks: gift for another friend
13. bright and ugly hat for Darinsan
14. Joslyn's shawl club shawl for my MIL (in light blues, not my colors!)
15. "light weight seed stitch" sweater for spouse - may turn in to a gansey, I'm still checking out options.
16. "christmas tree hat" for another friend (who sells trees)
17. soft fuzzy eyelash scarf for my little girl
18. Manos Hat
19. My Neck's Best Thing scarf for mom for the hoidays
20. Wristers, just cause they look like fun
21. Mobius vest for spouse
22. shawls for me. Lots of them!




Projects In Progress

CTH Sock(s): Cherry Tree Hill orangy toe up socks, using Wendy's generic pattern. 1 down except for a too tight cast off.

Lacy Toddler Socks, vers 2: replacing the one chewed through by the foster dog, but I'm not sure if I like the pattern.

Fixation Color Block Socks: If I'd just spend some time on them I could finish them, but that's probably true of everything.

Sheep Shawl: from Joslyn's Shawl Club.

Sigma tank in chunky cotton

Bumblebee lace socks Opal Bumblebee yarn, Shoelace Sock pattern

bright and ugly hat Out of Brown Sheep Nature Spun, color work!

soft fuzzy eyelash scarf

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Tuesday March 23, 2004

Hello Out There,
I’m still out here, and still knitting when I can find time that my hands and brain aren’t too tired. Today I sorted a bunch of misc. stash wool that had been deemed unfit by the cleaning people. One skein had soot on it. A couple had soot on the labels. Most of it just needs to be aired or ozoned, or something.

On the down side, the same cleaning people have Done Something with some of my Joslyn’s lace weight yarns, and I don’t know where they are. Since they marked hardly touched wool as trash, I’m wondering what happened to these that were sitting out and almost certainly have a layer of soot on them I’m going to have to search boxes. In my free time. Where do you get free time anyway? I haven’t found that shop recently. Also in that category was a bit of Noro yarn that they don‘t make any more. I really want to find it and clean it, but I may take the money for replacing it too, since I doubt after much time has passed that it will clean well. No, I didn’t tell them not to bother with the yarn because I’d handle it. They told me they were only cleaning hard surfaces – dishes, wood furnature, all soft things like clothing and yarn would be left for the soft cleaners. SNAFU as usual.

I hope to have a computer system back by the end of the week. Until then, phone is the best way to reach me. If any of you have my number. Not many do I think. :- ( I’m not getting a chance to be on line or check email most of the time. I have a lap top computer borrowed for the night tonight, what a luxury. I wish my brain wasn’t so tired.

Rob and Matt sent me a stash seedling package! :- ) It was filled with wonderful soft goodies. I haven’t done more than fondle them yet, my knitting needles are either getting cleaned or replaced, but I don’t know which yet. Some of my knitting books are getting replaced; others have been cleaned by a wonderful local book caregiver who came to their (and our) rescue. I’ll list ones that are to be replaced in case any one wants a somewhat smoky smelling copy. When I have time. Don’t hold your breaths too long.

A lot of my stash yarn seems to be OK having been stored in a steamer trunk. I think I’ll be looking for another one of those – maybe with drawers or shelves in it. I don’t know how yarn in Rubbermaid faired – bins were sooty, but have gone in to storage. We are living in a little, little (27 feet doesn’t sound little) RV on our land while waiting for the house to be gutted (such a yucky word) and rebuilt inside.

Good news, my cool peacock colored bag survived just fine and awaits washing to make sure there’s nothing ucky left on it. The item I was making for that exchange, I’ll have to wait and see. That’s in a box I haven’t examined much yet.

Time to stop typing and go get a fast tepid shower. (The water heater in this RV is a joke! Are they all like this? How do people live in these things? I am not a small space person”!) I miss you all. Please comment. Or call. Or something. A couple of you do have or have had my phone number. You are welcome to give it out by email if you care to identify yourselves in the comments, or read comments and send it, or something. I don’t know when I’ll get on line again after I post this and return this computer in the AM. And I feel lonely and cut off from my blog world. Not to mention displaced from my house. Sigh.

Stoney, still trying to knit on with confidence.


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[Tue 09:49] gwyn email ~ site
Hang in there, babe. At least it's nearly spring and you can get out and get fresh air instead of being cooped up in a tiny trailer. Good luck decontaminating your stash. We're thinking of you, and I hope things go back to normal for you soon.
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[Tue 11:02] Lisa in Oregon email ~
Stonering, send me your phone number! Lisa in Bend
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[Tue 15:57] Emma email ~ site
You sound so miserable - not surprising really.Wish there was something I could do. Take care. x
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[Tue 16:11] greta email ~
oh dear. Sending you HUGS and wishes for a glorious Spring and finding your lace weight all okay in a hidy-hole somewhere, untouched. Please do try and Knit on....
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[Tue 20:14] Iris email ~ site
I'm glad you're finding some time to relax and knit. That's so cool about the stash seedling package!

Hope things get back to normal soon.
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[Wed 10:25] Christina email ~ site
Be strong! At least you still have the yarn!
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[Wed 16:44] Bron email ~ site
Oh.....Stoney. Here's hoping things start turning around really, really soon. At the very least you deserve a nice, hot, BIG shower!
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[Wed 20:10] Meredtih email ~ site
I'm sending you lots of good thoughts in my meditations. I can't imagine what you are going through. What a mess. Hang in there and know that lots of folks are here in cyber land to support you.
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[Thu 10:29] Rachael email ~ site
Sending you lots of good thoughts. You are SO STRONG! You really are. Hang in there, please....
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[Fri 11:59] Bethany email ~ site
Keep knitting, and the confidence will come. And how sweet are Rob and Matt! From one that has lived in a very small space for many months now, I sympathize, and hope all moves along quickly for you.
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Friday March 12, 2004

Here I am
Hi folks. I'm posting, well kind of. I'm writing at a quarter past six in the morning, by flashlight, in the hotel room, with a pen, on a steno pad. Spouse will type and post for me sometime later today from work. I just can't guess when I'll get real time at a computer to write.

Thanks to all of you who commented, and all who read but didn't comment. I really appreciate the support. I feel as if I'm cut off from a physical community - I've found myself thinking that I haven't seen or talked to any of you in days. Even though I've never seen or talked to you in person. For all I know you have squeaky minny mouse voices and dye your hair green and purple. (Well I've considered the dye myself, but I don't think it would wash out as quick as I'd want it to.)

So knitting content before I get booted off the ring. I've got three projects with me - a pink fir cone/split leaf scarf, sort of like the blue one I finished last month. My nearly finished sweater, which has sat in limbo for a bit. And a hat. I'd just received the Spun Out collection from School House Press, and I'm making an E.Z. hat in some yarn I've been hoarding for years. I had seven skeins stashed away, but the are short ones. One in a gray/blue colorway, two in gray/pink and four in gray/something else. I dug out all seven, chose the first three for the hat, and put the other four on the shelf. They aren't burned, only smoke in that room. But they are going to be smelly and sooty.

Most yarn was in a trunk, or bins, or in some cases, bags. But some was sitting out in the open. My clear plastic back pack with two lace shawls in progress was in the room with the fire, where things did get burned and melted. I haven't asked spouse about that yet (spouse comment, I believe they are smoky but fine).

No, I haven't gone in. I've felt too stressed or too fragile depending on the time you ask me. I know I'm avoiding it. It's just too much right now. Insurance is going to sort, clean, rebuild and replace. Evidently we have really good insurance. CHECK YOUR POLICIES!!! Call the agent and ask them - if you have a mortgage and didn't ask for more insurance, you may not have it to replace your stuff - only the house. And if you rent - think about it. I never bothered with insurance as a renter. And I didn't know what I had as a home owner. I got lucky! Check your fire extinguishers too.

I am checking e-mail everyday or two or three. Some days I'm just not where I have any access to a computer. So e-mail if you want, but don't expect a quick answer unless I happen to be on-line the moment your email arrives. I got to say hello to Lisa in Oregon that way yesterday, which was really nice. I feel all out of touch and disconnected. I am I guess.

I think it's about time to quit writing. My daughter won't sleep much longer (actually she did), and that will be the end of my "calm quiet time". Such as it is.

Anyone want to come to Oregon for a vacation? I could use the company, but the hospitality is a little sparse right now. I could point you toward a motel and hang around and knit. :-) And the sheep and goats are all fine.
I'll post again when I can. Peace!

Stonering - knitting in Oregon


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[Fri 18:39] gwyn email ~ site
Or now might be a good time to come to Colorado! Our local yarn joint has room upstairs where you could crash, and it was actually hot today! I imagine you could use a vacation!
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[Fri 20:43] stonering ~
I'd love to, but I'm feeling a little scattered and a little as if I need to be at home right now. Some day. :-)
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[Sat 07:16] greta email ~
oh. oh. oh. I am praying for you dearest....I just now got to a computer and read your news. We should be back in North Carolina on Monday and I'll pack you up some care packages. What do you NEED the most? Seriously, I owe you big time for your sweet kindness to Tasha... Love and blessings to all....even more than usual. HUGS!
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[Sat 15:05] Bethany email ~ site
Any fire is frightening, but a fire in a knitter's house is terrifying. I have a feeling my sister would run back in for at least a few skeins off her wall of yarn. My thoughts are with you, hope the clean up goes well.
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[Sat 17:13] Stonering ~ site
Hi Greta, Hi Bethany.

Greta, you're going home? I didn't get to see you! :-( I don't have any clear idea what I need. Beyond a way to get on line from our hotel room. Someone keeping me company a bit. I'm a little stressed by my self, or without sufficient distraction.

Bethany, there's good and bad sides to it. Insurance says it's probably easier to replace our 3 spinning wheels and Spouse's loom with new ones than to clean them. Wow. I don't think I could have run back in and come out with anything sensible. Spouse went in for the one cat he heard - and she is now living iwth a friend in the city, after a weekend in the hospital. The other two cats that were inside didn't fare so well. Although at least they were together when they were found, which makes me feel a little better. I am releived that most books were not burned, some will be replaced, others will be cleaned, and none will be thrown out - although I may not keep the origionals if they can be replaced.

Rambling, me? Yeah. I'm feeling really discombobulated and displaced and I don't like it. But it's easier to type in comments than to do a real post right now. You folks get to see my typos and odd spellings this way. :-) I think I'm of to read, oops, no the cafe is shutting down, so much for visiting the net. Peace!
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[Sun 12:48] Meredtih email ~ site
What a drag!!! I havent been reading too many blogs lately so I'm a bit out of the loop. I'm so sorry about the fire. Glad to hear you're ok. How unsettling not to be in your home. I'll keep checking in to see how things are going. I'll keep you in my meditations and prayers as I know that's all I can do from here.
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[Mon 05:26] Iris email ~ site
Take your time going back in. Only when you feel up to it.

If I ever visited Oregon, I'd bring a chicken back with me. I think you've started something!
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[Mon 22:41] alison email ~ site
Stoney, I'm so sorry about your two cats. Continued good luck and good thoughts.
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[Mon 21:35] TheresaW email ~ site
Does this bring back memories. I went through the same thing when I was 13 -- my family and I ended up staying in a condo not too far away from our house while the inside was redone. I still don't like the smell of smoke... go back when you're ready... even when I was young it was pretty emotional.

On the positive side though my parents had good insurance too and got to redo the house the way they wanted to.

Good luck with everything!
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[Tue 07:03] stonering ~
I'm hoping to get over the smell of smoke since we heat with wood. But the smell of melted plastic, and burned furnature, yuck!

Thanks all for the comments. I added an update this morning, but I'm sitting in an unheated shed to have on line access, on a borrowed computer, so I can't add much here at the moment. :-) I've been in the house, although I'd really rather not have been. I'm exhausted and numb on a daily basis, although it's not so bad in the mornings, by evening I'm donefor though.
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[Tue 07:53] RALPH COMMENATOR email ~
I NEED HELP NEARLY EVERY PAIR OF ATHLETIC SOCKS I OWN HAVE A HOLE IN AT LEAST ONE TOE. I AM INDEPENDENT ENOUGH THAT I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO MEND THESE HOLES MYSELF BUT THE LAST HALF AN HOUR SURFING THE NET HAS BEEN FUTILE. ALL WOULD LIKE IS SOME SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW TO DARN THE HOLES IN MY SOCKS. WHEN I WAS A CHILD WE USED TO SAVE SOCKS WITH HOLES IN THEM SO THAT MY GRANDMOTHER GOD REST HER SOUL COULD FIX THEM WHEN SHE CAME TO VISIT. IT WAS SOMETHING SHE LOVED TO DO BECAUSE IT KEPT HER HANDS AND HER MIND ACTIVE AND MADE HER FEEL USEFUL. THOUGH WE WERE ALWAYS GLAD TO HAVE HER IF SHE HAD DONE IT OR NOT. I KNOW JUST FROM THE CURSORY GLANCE I MADE OF THIS SITE THERE WILL BE A GOOD NATURED SOUL OUT THERE TO HELP A LOST BACHELOR FIX HIS SOCKS. THANK YOU ALL IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP.
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Monday March 8, 2004

Life turned upside down!

Hi Folks, I’m going to be off line and afk for a while. We had a fire at our house Friday night, humans are OK, some pets are OK, and the house is structurally OK. Some furniture is burned, and everything in the house is black and sooty. We're living in a hotel, without predictable computer/Internet access until I find a laptop. (Any big chains having a good sale?) The home computer seems to be running OK, but I'm not willing to go inside to use it yet. It may be a while. Right now I'm typing on Spouse's work computer. If you want to reach me, leave a comment here, and it will get relayed. If you've got my cell phone number you're welcome to call, but I'm not gonna post it, cause this is the Internet. : - ) I would love to hear from anyone though. It might save me repeating the story twelve times to the same person here. I don't know who I've told what to, but it's been suggested that talking about it is good, and I can do that.

I've got my three projects that get toted around with me to work on. I'm trying to continue to "Knit on", but it's tough. Most yarn in the house was in bins or bags, some was sitting out. If anyone has suggesting for cleaning or decontaminating smoke damaged wool, cotton, silk, angora, or mohair blends, leave me comments or links.

When I get to a computer with more time, I'll work on a full version of what happened and what we know (not much yet), but that may take a while. That will probably be available by email. When I can get to my email again. I'm really missing reading blogs and keeping up with what everyone else is doing. I'll pop around and read a few as I can, but I don't have access to my blogrolling list (which I don't post on the blog, but maybe I can figure out how to sign on to it from another computer), but I do have a decent number of links on my blog. I could use some good and calm thoughts if you've got any to spare. Peace, folks. Knit on.a


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[Mon 14:11] ruzz ~
ruzz is rooting for you guys. had me freaked out all weekend.

if there is anything i can do.. just ask.
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[Mon 20:16] Amber email ~ site
So, so sorry to hear about the fire, but glad that your family is safe. I did a couple of Google searches on yarn fixes but haven't come up with anything yet.


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[Mon 20:18] alison email ~ site
Oh no! That's terrible, Stoney -- are you really OK? You sound a little too calm... Good luck with absolutely everything, and keep in touch when you can. Thinking of you! Yes, definitely try to knit on.
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[Mon 21:08] stonering ~
I'm holding my own. I'm trying to be busy, and not by myself much, and I'm pretty stressed. I probably sound much calmer typing, and some of the time on the phone than I do in person. Friends locally are feeding us dinners, and offering to help. There's a decent community around, which is nice. I'm really missing my on line community a lot. And I'm having to use strange computers and keyboards, which is a PITA.
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[Tue 03:34] Iris email ~ site
Wow, that's terrible!Good to hear your family is safe, though. Is everyone handling it ok?

Be well!
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[Tue 06:05] Emma email ~ site
That's so awful. I'm glad you're all safe and o.k. I hope things get sorted quickly. Take care.I shall be thinking of you.

x
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[Tue 06:49] Em email ~ site
Oh Stoney--how AWFUL! But you're OK, and that's the most important thing. It makes me happy that you have people there taking care of you guys, too. I can never think of supportive comments and the like to say...but do email me if you need to unload stress and all that.
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[Tue 10:05] LoriO email ~ site
Oh man, that's terrible! Glad to hear your family is safe, but what an ordeal to go through.

Hang in there!
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[Wed 15:38] Sandy email ~ site
Oh, Stonering! I am sending good thoughts your way. Yes, even a prayer. :) Or two! Thank goodness you and your family are safe! wishing the best.... S.
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[Wed 17:33] Stonering ~ site
Thanks for the good thoughts folks. I reallyappreciate them. No one's had much in the way of yarn cleaning suggestions yet. Insurance is looking both good and helpful so that's a releif. I'll try to get on and type more if I can find an internet cafe tomorrow. I'm off to ask Rachael for Craigslist suggestions. Peace. Knit on.
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[Wed 19:17] Rachael email ~ site
Oh, dear, that's AWFUL! How terribly, awfully frightening. I'm so glad you're all right.... As to the computer, no, honestly I wouldn't really trust anything on Craigslist, not from such a distance. If you could meet with the seller and try the computer out before money changed hands, that would be one thing. But in the mail.... I don't think so. I've read too many Craigslist horror stories when it comes to this kind of thing. Better idea might be ebay - check what kind of fraud coverage your credit card carries, and if the thing doesn't work, you can cancel the charge. Ebay sellers, because they're being rated, tend to be more honest. If the seller has tons of good reviews, you've got a real good shot at something pretty good. Let me know if I can help with anything else! xoxx, hang in there, dear.
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[Thu 06:36] Bron email ~ site
Terrible news! I'm so glad people & critters are fine. Good thoughts & energy coming your way. Hope things get back to normal as soon as possible - I'll be thinking of you!
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[Thu 08:40] indigirl email ~ site
Wow, what a horrible thing to have happened! I'm glad to hear that you have some knitting consolation with you.
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[Thu 11:33] justin email ~
Oh My! How horrible. You're in our thoughts and prayers.
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[Thu 14:42] Christina email ~ site
Holy crap!

I am so sorry! Lots of love!
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[Thu 16:55] stonering email ~
Thanks for all the support and comments folks. I'll try to get an update writen and up soon, once I get more than a few stolen minutes on a borrowed computer. Insurance is looking really good, they'll deal with a whole lot of fussing around for us. And they'll get us back on the land in a RV kind of thing. I'm thinking of lots of you and wishing I could actually read blogs. Soon, I hope. But many days still.
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[Thu 23:51] gwyn email ~ site
How horrible! I'm so glad everyone is OK. You certainly sound calm, and I hope everything is taken care of easily and quickly. The downside of having an online friend is that I can't help out in person, but even if I can't put you up or bake a casserole, I'm praying for you.
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[Fri 02:31] Ann email ~ site
Oh, I'm so very sorry, but glad that you are okay, and that the insurance folks are behaving properly. Such a scary thing.
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Tuesday March 2, 2004

Briggs and Little Heritage

It's at The Wool Works in Canada. You have to find the left column button that says yarns, then scroll down the listing of yarns (like a whole six or eight of them) to Briggs and Little. The prices are at the bottom of the page. The how to order info is back on the first page you were at, at a link (contact and ordering maybe?) across the top. And what I did was to fill out the on line order form, hit the "send" button, and then call them during normal east coast business hours (they answered "good afternoon" at 9 am my time!) and give them my visa number over the phone. They aren't set up to take visa on line yet, but this worked just as well and I got to talk to the nice lady there and offer to trade her my daughter for the yarn. (No go. Oh well.) Even so, my size Rogue is costing $22 US. Whee!

Lisa, maybe we can have a later Rogue knit along. Humm, maybe it will be a Rogue limpalong. I looked at the graphs and the key for the symbols today and am intimidated again. Actually, I do have half a thought to trek out to the Rogue River Gorge when I am knitting it. Rogue at Rogue seems kind of cool.

I've got more to write, but things have just been hectic. The doctor prescribed a hat to cover my daughter's ears, to prevent infections and earaches and things. I think it's really a neat idea. The idea is that cold ears (and maybe cold face) can cause the estuation tubes to contract, trapping fluid and mucus. Heat should help keep them open. So I'm knitting a basic not-so-pretty striped hat with ear flaps for her in um, Lambs Pride I think. Then I'll knit one for me. Then I'll probably do a couple more in cotton, and maybe one to try sleeping in, for those cold nights. (We do get a few of them. Quit laughing you snowed in people!) We're working on another ear and or sinus infection, but we were already set to go see the Pedi tomorrow anyway, so we'll discuss that with her then. There. :-)

Oh, and on comments. I kind of like how the discussion migrated over here from Gwyn's blog. (I didn't link her, she's WollieMama in the buttons, or just look for her name in the last posts comments. I'm to lazy to link it right now. Sorry Gwyn. Next time, I promise. :-) I try to comment a lot more now than I used to because I am so thrilled when I get any comments, so I figure other people might be too. But I'm way more likely to comment if there are none or few, as other folks have said. I like seeing what people say in comments too. I almost always read comments on other folks blogs. The discussion is part of what makes this fun.



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[Wed 07:25] mare email ~ site
thanks for the wool works link, just had a fun virtual visit there.did you see the childrens books that are about fiber animals? i think i may have to jump on the rogue wagon. my karly likes that pattern too.
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[Wed 12:24] gwyn email ~ site
Thanks for the ref anyway! I sometimes skip commenting out of laziness, too. Or sometimes, I can't think of a way to say what I want. Composing your thoughts for the written word is so much harder than a spontaneous expression of sympathy. When someone posts about a rough time they are having, somehow my words just are so awkward that I can't post anything at all.
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[Wed 21:00] Amber email ~ site
Earaches, yuck! I almost had to have those tubes put in my ears when I was little because I got them so much. Hope she feels better soon.


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[Thu 06:52] Kim ~ site
Hope your little stinker feels better soon--earaches are terrible! What a great reason to knit a hat--the doctor perscribed it!


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[Fri 08:58] peggy email ~ site
Half the time, I start typing out a comment on someone's blog and change my mind halfway through. I love getting comments - pretty much any comments (except nasty ones) - but I guess I'm afraid that the ones I leave aren't as "interesting" as they could be.

After seeing Kate's Rogue in Briggs and Little, I can't wait to see progress pics of yours! Happy knitting.
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[Mon 09:54] Stephanie email ~ site
I love Briggs and Little yarn. Unbelievably, here in Toronto, you can often get it in WalMart.
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